Surf Nazis

[Gazsurf]

what's your heritage blue?

the not-rare-enough tribe of illogical smut-peddlers?

that's pretty damn good stuff right there.

I'm white in case anyone didn't know yet. I really really like the color on me, but I repeatedly try to darken it, then I really really like that color, but it begins to fade, then I try to get it back to a light brown.

Futile, I know.

P.S. Blue I didn't go after any white guy on the page....

[Betty]

Jesus Spent how many forums do you regular?

[SooLoo]

When you start off saying " I'm not racist but..." most people stop listening/ reading...

As I did.

[pra_ggresion]

Call me rascist, black, chicano or whatever. Just for the love of all that's holy, don't call me Suzy.

[bluesilver]

what's your heritage blue?

the not-rare-enough tribe of illogical smut-peddlers?

I'm sorry Spent, If I knew the world needed more overly depressed foreigners I would have got into social work and moved abroad

I'm Norweigan, Finnish, French. Mainly Scandanavian. We still have family records dating back to the 'tribe' of Norsemen we came from. But, mainly I'm American. And I'm fine with that, regardless of the negative history that other people took part in, that I'm supposed to feel guilty for.

I'm only a smut peddler on here.

[erzats]

I am proud of my culture.

Could you remind me, again, what white culture is? Sometimes I forget.

[bluesilver]

Whats black culture? mexican? they have some authentic food? you don't see whitey having a culture because you do not know anything about your own.

[Doc]

Stupid questions...
Big assumption...
My opinion...
But then I'm just a Mexican...
With a Caucasian father.

Doc

[erzats]

Why is it if you got back and are proud...you are celebrated?

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Why does doc have a rash on his @ss?

Read your typo. I think one follows the other.

Seriously though. I know you hate to admit it, but being black and/or being brown has not made it easier for people with those skin colors both in history and at present in this country. While being white hasn't really stopped you from doing anything, has it? There are obvious within-skin-color analogies as well (Germany, Holocaust). I'm continuously amazed that you seem to recognize no structural disadvantages to certain peoples even though such practices are documented throughout history and are very widespread today. People making these arguments, endlessly dragging their feet, help to keep us in the cultural stone age. And it's all, basically, done to maintain whitey's advantage.

Obviously, black people in Ghana, for example, aren't marching around touting their race. Likewise some mexicans in their country (although there are indigenous/spanish conflicts galore) . It's done here because those races, in this country, often get the shaft so being proud of ones heritage is a way of regaining some dignity. It's also a way to make the wheel squeak a little louder. Whether you realized it or not, when you climbed on top of the pyramid of wealth (that you and I are perched upon), you were meant to be humble to that fact rather than spitting in its face and begging that someone recognize how awesome you and your Harley riding friends are (or whatever element of "white culture" it is that you are proud of). We don't get to wave our white pride flags because everyone can already see our white @sses on top of the heap.

To me, a big part of being white in the USA (especially as a male) is that I was handed a very wide open slate to work with. I recognize this in almost everything that I do. It's made blatantly clear to me daily that this advantage is huge and has allowed me a very comfortable life in the grand scheme of things. My culture? I know about my heritage. There are traditions that my family holds albeit weak ones. Culture? I treat people fairly and right to the best of my ability. I aim to make no distinction between folks in how I treat them. I listen to white people music. Uuuuuh. Is that what you mean? I was hoping that Wilbur would inform us what white culture is.

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[Wilbur Kookmeyer]

While being white hasn't really stopped you from doing anything, has it?

You mean besides barring me from getting a job with the government, putting me on the bottom of the heap for financial aid for higher education, and limiting my freedom of speech? Nope..has not stopped me from anything then.

There are obvious within-skin-color analogies as well (Germany, Holocaust). I'm continuously amazed that you seem to recognize no structural disadvantages to certain peoples even though such practices are documented throughout history and are very widespread today. People making these arguments, endlessly dragging their feet, help to keep us in the cultural stone age. And it's all, basically, done to maintain whitey's advantage.

Not really interested in arguing this. I am not in the 'cultural stone age' and nor do I have an agenda to maintain whitey's advantage.

Obviously, black people in Ghana, for example, aren't marching around touting their race. Likewise some mexicans in their country (although there are indigenous/spanish conflicts galore) . It's done here because those races, in this country, often get the shaft so being proud of ones heritage is a way of regaining some dignity.

Don't argue that at all. in fact I support it, I would just like to have the same freedom without being labeled a racist.

Whether you realized it or not, when you climbed on top of the pyramid of wealth (that you and I are perched upon), you were meant to be humble to that fact rather than spitting in its face and begging that someone recognize how awesome you and your Harley riding friends are (or whatever element of "white culture" it is that you are proud of). We don't get to wave our white pride flags because everyone can already see our white @sses on top of the heap.

First off, whatever heap I am on top of was only achieved by scrapping, clawing, fighting, and climbing. So put the emphasis on 'climbing' there my friend because this pimpness was not effing handed to me or mine. I have a 10th grade education an umbilical hernia, a chipped tooth and a passion. No trust fund babies in my entire lineage. Am I to believe that I am only perched here because I am white? Where is the respect for my hard work? Where is MY dignity? f@#K...if I had known that all I had to do was be white to get to where I am at then why the hell did I bother working so hard? Ten years ago I had nothing, lived on a couch at a friends house and rode a bicycle 15 miles to work and back every day. I worked in a freezer at night pulling orders and packing them on pallets in a freezer that ran about -10f and I often did not get home from work in the morning until the sun was much higher. My daughter lived with her junkie mom and I was in ruins. And you want to sit there and tell me that my success was effing handed tome because I am white? Are you serious? How dare you take away all of my sweat, my tears, my heart ache back ache and scars on my body and declare that none of it mattered because I am white.

And humble? You don't think I am humble about where it is I live? You do not think I have a reverent appreciation of it? I may talk a lot of shite, but what those around here don't know is that I am humble about everything in my life and that I fall to my knees in true gratefulness every day. However that is between me and my idea of God.

To me, a big part of being white in the USA (especially as a male) is that I was handed a very wide open slate to work with. I recognize this in almost everything that I do. It's made blatantly clear to me daily that this advantage is huge and has allowed me a very comfortable life in the grand scheme of things. My culture? I know about my heritage. There are traditions that my family holds albeit weak ones. Culture? I treat people fairly and right to the best of my ability. I aim to make no distinction between folks in how I treat them. I listen to white people music. Uuuuuh. Is that what you mean? I was hoping that Wilbur would inform us what white culture is.

Not sure I could describe my idea of 'white culture'. Of course my heritage is wonderful in my eyes. Where I truly come from. My family, our history. Good and bad. I enjoy it greatly. But white culture...? Eh....not so sure I even know what that is. Maybe there really isn't one. Maybe it has been diluted and diversified to a point beyond recognition. Maybe ever since I was a child i was told how wrong 'we' are for being white and how we do not matter as much. Same thing we have been told as males all of our lives too. Washed out, diluted, and emasculated. Maybe that is (sadly) about as close of a definition you can get for a 'culture' concerning the white male in this country.

I don't see as much in color as most of those that oppose me, however I am the racist because I am white.

A 'person of color' discriminates against a white and it is termed 'reverse racism', as if it were to be that racism can only go in one direction. But that is so illogical. In my mind, there is only racism. No forward, reverse, or other direction. Racism is racism no matter who the perpetrator or victim is and is completely independent of their color.

Same goes for sexism.

The white heterosexual male is not a manifestation of evil or hate though like any other segment of any society we are capable of being so, but so is everyone else.

I am proud to be white.
I am proud to be male.
I am proud to be heterosexual.

Do I care if you are not white?
Do I care if you are not male?
Do I care if you are not heterosexual?

Nope.

So why would anyone take exception with me being what I am? Where are my rights to be who/what I am? Where are my 40 acres and a mule?

[grizldoldfk]

yeah!
i want forty acres!
wtf!?

[erzats]

You mean besides barring me from getting a job with the government

So you are saying that there are no white folk working for the government? Almost every government worker I've run into has been white and I know that the true racial mix in Oregon is not 100% white.

Putting me on the bottom of the heap for financial aid for higher education

Suck it up. I was "on the bottom of the heap" at first and borrowed a fair amount of money for higher ed. No trust fund here. Then I did well and started to get scholarships. Like you, I worked hard and reaped the benefits.

and limiting my freedom of speech?

C'mon. Examples please? You can go down the road waving a white power flag if you want. No one is stopping you.

Don't argue that at all. in fact I support it, I would just like to have the same freedom without being labeled a racist.

The point I was making is that people in the racial majority don't have much need to express their pride because it's preaching to the choir. You are free to be proud and march down the road. You'll get a lot of negative responses but you can do it.

First off, whatever heap I am on top of was only achieved by scrapping, clawing, fighting, and climbing. So put the emphasis on 'climbing' there my friend because this pimpness was not effing handed to me or mine. I have a 10th grade education an umbilical hernia, a chipped tooth and a passion. No trust fund babies in my entire lineage. Am I to believe that I am only perched here because I am white? Where is the respect for my hard work? Where is MY dignity? f@#K...if I had known that all I had to do was be white to get to where I am at then why the hell did I bother working so hard? Ten years ago I had nothing, lived on a couch at a friends house and rode a bicycle 15 miles to work and back every day. I worked in a freezer at night pulling orders and packing them on pallets in a freezer that ran about -10f and I often did not get home from work in the morning until the sun was much higher. My daughter lived with her junkie mom and I was in ruins. And you want to sit there and tell me that my success was effing handed tome because I am white? Are you serious? How dare you take away all of my sweat, my tears, my heart ache back ache and scars on my body and declare that none of it mattered because I am white.

Sure, you worked your @ss off. I'm not saying that your success was handed to you. I'm saying that the opportunity to climb was handed to you by race and gender alone. Step out of your story (albeit a true and inspiring one) and your creamy-white world view, and imagine you were Mexican trying to follow this same path with the same background and the same work ethic. Honestly, do you think you would have been able to go from broke to doin' alright in that amount of time? There's a world of stats that show people of non-white races in this country (and women of all races) get paid less than white people do for the exact same jobs. These are facts. So, they work just as hard and make less. Do you think that might make it a little harder to haul your @ss out of poverty? Do you think it's right that "equals" should not be paid equally, or granted jobs equally, or etc based on color? That's the point I'm trying to make. That minorities are loud and proud because if they weren't the same old racist BS that's been pervasive in this country (and in all countries really) would just get propagated forever. Being white and proud is just pointless and smacks of entitlement.

You can drag your feet and fail to acknowledge those facts and bitch about affirmative action, or you can accept that there are real differences in how non-white races are treated and that 99.9 % of those differences are in favor of white people. You can see that efforts to bring in more equality, while sometimes flawed, are noble attempts to make a more equal nation. Be proud that you worked so hard because there are tons and tons of white losers that are poor and bitch about it and blame others and never go anywhere. But when you see a latino labor organization marching on May Day you should realize why they are marching. They aren't looking for handouts. They are looking for equal opportunity.

[pra_ggresion]

It doesn't matter where, when or what color I was born. I'd still come out on top by my own rules. White pride is weak sauce. The ability to think clearly is the only thing inherently worthy of pride.

[bluesilver]

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