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Postby Foul Pete » Thu May 31, 2007 10:59 am

the end will indeed crush you but also uplift you.

a little review i did:

William Burroughs once wrote, 'Life is an entanglement of lies to hide its basic mechanisms.' I refer to this quote frequently as it seems to me, worthwhile art should either be a celebration of these 'basic mechanisms' or an expose of the 'entanglement of lies.'

Cormac McCarthy's 'Blood Meridian' is one of my favourite novels. A re-writing of the American West and the war with Mexico. It is brutal and bloody and dense in vivid imagery. 'Blood Meridian' is McCarthy exposing the entanglement of lies that the American West was fought and conquered with.

When I opened 'The Road,' I was expecting the same but in a post-apocalyptic setting. However, within the first few pages it is immediately apparent that McCarthy's latest novel is a completely different beast. The language is economical and the descriptions sparse, like the landscape. Minimal and cold but all encompassing.

Someone once told me that the life of a street kid can be described as extended periods of time interrupted by moments of shear terror. Life on the edge is like this and 'The Road' is like this. The earth is burnt to an ashen core, no life remains, save for the occasional commune of survivors and roving bands of cannibals. We never know what brought this about and we don't need to. A boy and his father make their way to the ocean in the hopes of finding 'the good guys' but really because their is nothing else for them to do but keep moving, that or allow themselves to die. And that is where the reader finds the core, the basic mechanisms that keep them alive.

In the end, the boy who only knows the dead world he lives in, has more hope and compassion than his father who is a product of the world that was destroyed.

It is an absolutely stunning read. As honey bees drop from the sky, confused and disorientated by the signals from our cells phones, as mentally ill young people open fire on their fellow students and as the glaciers melt, I can't help but think 'The Road' should be mandatory reading. I don't think I've ever been so disturbed yet simultaneously moved by the final pages of a novel.
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Postby gills » Thu May 31, 2007 12:00 pm

Stiffler wrote:Licensed to Kill, Hired Guns in the War on Terror by Robert Young Pelton

Even better than I anticipated.

Somebody wanna do a book swap with The Road?


The Road is in the mail.
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Postby Jacob » Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:04 pm

McCarthy's mastery of the use of the local hillbilly dialect in Child of God is beautiful....but much of the substance is painfully shocking.
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Postby nasty » Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:43 pm

Voltaire's Candide
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Postby Ceedog » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:03 pm

After managing to makes heads or tails of the OR sport fishing guide I've moved on to "Dinner with a perfect stranger". It's a Jesus book written by the husband of a family friend. Now I know why religous people get so much flak, a lot of faith based literature is so flat and unimaginitive. But yet these types of books sell.
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Postby navier-stokes » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:17 am

the people history of the us... good but lots of work...this is going to be an all summer kind of project in that i can only read about 15 pages a day before i get angry, mentally overloaded or both....
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Postby Wilbur Kookmeyer » Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:28 am

"How to be Cool Like Me"

By Betty.

It's part two of a series of three.

The first is "Dog Days in Brohampton"

The third part is "Don't Surf Here 'Cuz Yer Not Cool".

It's a prety good follow up to her last publishing "Get It Strait!"
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Postby Stiffler » Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:12 pm

cried at the end of The Road. I read 3/4 of the book aloud to Ms Stiffler, who cheated and read the rest while I was at work. Thats fine, there were parts I wouldnt want to read aloud. Thanks gills!
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Postby Spent » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:37 pm

Stiffler wrote:cried at the end of The Road. I read 3/4 of the book aloud to Ms Stiffler, who cheated and read the rest while I was at work. Thats fine, there were parts I wouldnt want to read aloud. Thanks gills!


Quite something isn't it...

Not sure what Gills' motives are for handing out free copies of this book.

I suspect that he is finally accepting that there is no hope for humanity or this planet until civilization collapses but he is still too afraid to admitt this and so he is going keep up his pretence of faith in 'the system' and will cast a few more Surfrider votes.

I'm afraid also but the alternative is far darker....

Run comrades, the old world is behind you....

That book is hard to read as a parent.... man I nearly cried also. If I was as human as you Stiffler, I would have cried but I'm an emotional ice cube. I want to cry....
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Postby gills » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:08 am

Spent wrote:
Not sure what Gills' motives are for handing out free copies of this book.



I have the power of books. Lots of people can bro deal lots of things, surfboards, food, beer, etc...I have books. And it was the best fiction read I've read in three or four years. Stiff has been to my bookstore more than anyone on this page except for you Spent, even though he lives in WP so I hook you guys up.

Really though, I wanted you to read it FP so you'd understand why I'm an environmentalist and that maybe you won't burn styrofoam anymore, maybe you won't throw burning plastic out the window while you drive, maybe you won't pour motor oil directly into the ocean anymore.
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Postby Spent » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:13 am

gills wrote:
Spent wrote:
Not sure what Gills' motives are for handing out free copies of this book.



I have the power of books. Lots of people can bro deal lots of things, surfboards, food, beer, etc...I have books. And it was the best fiction read I've read in three or four years. Stiff has been to my bookstore more than anyone on this page except for you Spent, even though he lives in WP so I hook you guys up.

Really though, I wanted you to read it FP so you'd understand why I'm an environmentalist and that maybe you won't burn styrofoam anymore, maybe you won't throw burning plastic out the window while you drive, maybe you won't pour motor oil directly into the ocean anymore.


Nice theory. But here is mine. The quicker we destroy the planet and kill ourselves off, the quicker it will recover.
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Postby Temperance » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:47 am

So I guess everyone should reproduce as fast as they can and get it over with. Cancel the vasectomy.
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Postby gills » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:05 am

fatalism is a self fullfilling prophecy.

Maybe we'll lose the fight, but hey, I'm gonna die trying. What the phuck else would I do with myself? Ride an ATV on the weekends?
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Postby Spent » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:09 am

i'm going to die eating donuts while it all burns, while you run around frantically with a petition for a hose.

Which brings me to the book, I'm delaying reading:
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Gills I'd like to order Vol 2 from you but I fear I won't be able to read it in time:
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Premises of Endgame

Premise One: Civilization is not and can never be sustainable. This is especially true for industrial civilization.

Premise Two: Traditional communities do not often voluntarily give up or sell the resources on which their communities are based until their communities have been destroyed. They also do not willingly allow their landbases to be damaged so that other resources—gold, oil, and so on—can be extracted. It follows that those who want the resources will do what they can to destroy traditional communities.

Premise Three: Our way of living—industrial civilization—is based on, requires, and would collapse very quickly without persistent and widespread violence.

Premise Four: Civilization is based on a clearly defined and widely accepted yet often unarticulated hierarchy. Violence done by those higher on the hierarchy to those lower is nearly always invisible, that is, unnoticed. When it is noticed, it is fully rationalized. Violence done by those lower on the hierarchy to those higher is unthinkable, and when it does occur is regarded with shock, horror, and the fetishization of the victims.

Premise Five: The property of those higher on the hierarchy is more valuable than the lives of those below. It is acceptable for those above to increase the amount of property they control—in everyday language, to make money—by destroying or taking the lives of those below. This is called production. If those below damage the property of those above, those above may kill or otherwise destroy the lives of those below. This is called justice.

Premise Six: Civilization is not redeemable. This culture will not undergo any sort of voluntary transformation to a sane and sustainable way of living. If we do not put a halt to it, civilization will continue to immiserate the vast majority of humans and to degrade the planet until it (civilization, and probably the planet) collapses. The effects of this degradation will continue to harm humans and nonhumans for a very long time.

Premise Seven: The longer we wait for civilization to crash—or the longer we wait before we ourselves bring it down—the messier will be the crash, and the worse things will be for those humans and nonhumans who live during it, and for those who come after.

Premise Eight: The needs of the natural world are more important than the needs of the economic system.

Another way to put premise Eight: Any economic or social system that does not benefit the natural communities on which it is based is unsustainable, immoral, and stupid. Sustainability, morality, and intelligence (as well as justice) requires the dismantling of any such economic or social system, or at the very least disallowing it from damaging your landbase.

Premise Nine: Although there will clearly some day be far fewer humans than there are at present, there are many ways this reduction in population could occur (or be achieved, depending on the passivity or activity with which we choose to approach this transformation). Some of these ways would be characterized by extreme violence and privation: nuclear armageddon, for example, would reduce both population and consumption, yet do so horrifically; the same would be true for a continuation of overshoot, followed by crash. Other ways could be characterized by less violence. Given the current levels of violence by this culture against both humans and the natural world, however, it’s not possible to speak of reductions in population and consumption that do not involve violence and privation, not because the reductions themselves would necessarily involve violence, but because violence and privation have become the default. Yet some ways of reducing population and consumption, while still violent, would consist of decreasing the current levels of violence required, and caused by, the (often forced) movement of resources from the poor to the rich, and would of course be marked by a reduction in current violence against the natural world. Personally and collectively we may be able to both reduce the amount and soften the character of violence that occurs during this ongoing and perhaps longterm shift. Or we may not. But this much is certain: if we do not approach it actively—if we do not talk about our predicament and what we are going to do about it—the violence will almost undoubtedly be far more severe, the privation more extreme.

Premise Ten: The culture as a whole and most of its members are insane. The culture is driven by a death urge, an urge to destroy life.

Premise Eleven: From the beginning, this culture—civilization—has been a culture of occupation.

Premise Twelve: There are no rich people in the world, and there are no poor people. There are just people. The rich may have lots of pieces of green paper that many pretend are worth something—or their presumed riches may be even more abstract: numbers on hard drives at banks—and the poor may not. These “rich” claim they own land, and the “poor” are often denied the right to make that same claim. A primary purpose of the police is to enforce the delusions of those with lots of pieces of green paper. Those without the green papers generally buy into these delusions almost as quickly and completely as those with. These delusions carry with them extreme consequences in the real world.

Premise Thirteen: Those in power rule by force, and the sooner we break ourselves of illusions to the contrary, the sooner we can at least begin to make reasonable decisions about whether, when, and how we are going to resist.

Premise Fourteen: From birth on—and probably from conception, but I’m not sure how I’d make the case—we are individually and collectively enculturated to hate life, hate the natural world, hate the wild, hate wild animals, hate women, hate children, hate our bodies, hate and fear our emotions, hate ourselves. If we did not hate the world, we could not allow it to be destroyed before our eyes. If we did not hate ourselves, we could not allow our homes—and our bodies—to be poisoned.

Premise Fifteen: Love does not imply pacifism.

Premise Sixteen: The material world is primary. This does not mean that the spirit does not exist, nor that the material world is all there is. It means that spirit mixes with flesh. It means also that real world actions have real world consequences. It means we cannot rely on Jesus, Santa Claus, the Great Mother, or even the Easter Bunny to get us out of this mess. It means this mess really is a mess, and not just the movement of God’s eyebrows. It means we have to face this mess ourselves. It means that for the time we are here on Earth—whether or not we end up somewhere else after we die, and whether we are condemned or privileged to live here—the Earth is the point. It is primary. It is our home. It is everything. It is silly to think or act or be as though this world is not real and primary. It is silly and pathetic to not live our lives as though our lives are real.

Premise Seventeen: It is a mistake (or more likely, denial) to base our decisions on whether actions arising from these will or won’t frighten fence-sitters, or the mass of Americans.

Premise Eighteen: Our current sense of self is no more sustainable than our current use of energy or technology.

Premise Nineteen: The culture’s problem lies above all in the belief that controlling and abusing the natural world is justifiable.

Premise Twenty: Within this culture, economics—not community well-being, not morals, not ethics, not justice, not life itself—drives social decisions.

Modification of Premise Twenty: Social decisions are determined primarily (and often exclusively) on the basis of whether these decisions will increase the monetary fortunes of the decision-makers and those they serve.

Re-modification of Premise Twenty: Social decisions are determined primarily (and often exclusively) on the basis of whether these decisions will increase the power of the decision-makers and those they serve.

Re-modification of Premise Twenty: Social decisions are founded primarily (and often exclusively) on the almost entirely unexamined belief that the decision-makers and those they serve are entitled to magnify their power and/or financial fortunes at the expense of those below.

Re-modification of Premise Twenty: If you dig to the heart of it—if there were any heart left—you would find that social decisions are determined primarily on the basis of how well these decisions serve the ends of controlling or destroying wild nature.
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Postby gills » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:35 pm

premise one is already disproven by the history of indigenous peoples in North America.

you can order volume 2 from me, but it's gonna come on a truck.

Funny how these viewpoints are similar to the notion of 'the rapture'.

I want to do something in life other than wait for my death.
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